Writer/director/producer Judd Apatow does not feel hopeful about being Conan O’Brien’s friend.

Judd sits down with Conan to talk about using silence in their work, lifting up comedy stars like Seth Rogen and Pete Davidson, fashion tips from Jon Lovitz, reminiscing about eating, and comic rhythm. Plus, Conan and Sona dish on producer Matt Gourley in his absence.

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