HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Chris Ryan to talk about the Kevin Durant-Draymond Green argument, the rise of the Clippers, and Jimmy Butler's new team (2:50) before sitting down with Malcolm Gladwell to discuss his "grand unified theory of ethnic basketball," NBA thoughts, Gladwell's new music podcast with Rick Rubin called 'Broken Record,' and more (31:45). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices