HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Bravo's Andy Cohen to discuss the rise of reality TV (6:00), 'Desperate Housewives' vs. 'Real Housewives' (10:00), the casting process of 'Real Housewives' (15:00), the potential of 'Real Housewives: All-Stars' (20:00), the tag "America's gay best friend" (27:00), Bill's reality show pitch: 'Malibu Little League' (32:00), idolizing Howard Stern's radio model (37:00), the craziest matchups on 'Watch What Happens: Live' (43:00), the Brangelina split (47:00), and escapism after the election (50:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices