The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Bakari Sellers and 44th president of the United States Barack Obama to discuss conferring with NBA players in the Orlando bubble during the wildcat strike, athletes pushing for social change, how different leagues, including the NBA, WNBA, MLB, NFL, and NCAA, responded to the coronavirus pandemic, whether college athletes should be paid, the Mount Rushmore of sports, being a dad in quarantine, his new book, ‘A Promised Land,’ the tumultuous first few months of his presidency, and more (3:30). Later, Bill gives out his Million Dollar Picks for NFL Week 15 (1:11:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices