HBO and The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Joe House to rehash the Pelicans-Lakers trade and point out the winners and losers of the 2019 NBA draft (2:37). Then Bill sits down with the king of Yacht Rock, Michael McDonald, to discuss playing with Steely Dan, his time with the Doobie Brothers, heartbreak songs, his solo career, his summer tour with Chaka Khan, and more (1:25:50). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices