My Favorite Murder presents the first episode of That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast where Kara and Liza recap SVU’s “Bully” (Season 12, Episode 18) and the true scenarios (Leona Helmsley and R. Budd Dwyer) the episode is based on. Plus an interview with the “bully” herself, Kate Burton.

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